Official Should Leaks Be Allowed on WoWEmu?

[JadaDev]

Hazor sold the WoD core I spent time and effort on for $2500 without asking lmao, it wasn't even his core to start with.

None of this means anything. There's no "leak", it's all under free open source licensing.

Leaks should and will be allowed, end of story.

You're too sure with 'Leaks should and will be allowed, end of story'
Good to know you control the forum

 

[Jens]

I'm againest any sort of such leaks and been like ' oh it's under GNU License '

Well, that's just a factual statement. Facts don't care about your feelings. They're not "leaks" if they were open source in the first place. That's like saying I leaked access to ChatGPT.... it's free software, anyone can use it.

Post automatically merged: Apr 5, 2023

You're too sure with 'Leaks should and will be allowed, end of story'
Good to know you control the forum

I don't control anything, but the majority of people believe leaks should be allowed so odds are they will be.

 

[Azayaka]

I'm againest any sort of such leaks and been like ' oh it's under GNU License '

So then you agree it's not actually leaking.

 

[quadralx]

Thought it be easier to show a screenshot of GPT-4 explaining the license.

GNU license is very flexible which is why it is the most popular version of licensing.

Ultimately it is the question whether you want this forum to be a respectable forum or if you prefer it to be inundated with 'script kiddies'.

 

[Jens]

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Thought it be easier to show a screenshot of GPT-4 explaining the license.

GNU license is very flexible which is why it is the most popular version of licensing.

Ultimately it is the question whether you want this forum to be a respectable forum or if you prefer it to be inundated with 'script kiddies'.

Of course you're not "required" to do so. But if you were to argue this in a court of law, the license would still apply. Someone "leaking" said code would be "making the software public" which would fall under the rules and regulations of the GNU GPL license. Therefore, if you argued "oh he stole my software", no the software still fell under that GNU licensing during the time of the alleged "theft".

 

[Jens]

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Thought it be easier to show a screenshot of GPT-4 explaining the license.

GNU license is very flexible which is why it is the most popular version of licensing.

Ultimately it is the question whether you want this forum to be a respectable forum or if you prefer it to be inundated with 'script kiddies'.

Regardless of everything, the most popular private server source on the planet is Open Source. The code every single one of your cores are built off of is free and open for everyone to use. Why? Because that's how development gets better and better overtime. Imagine if PandaWoW, Firestorm, Serenity, Lotus, all of these morons had open source projects and all merged into one another. MoP would have been done 6 years ago. But no, everyone feels entitled to their project as if it's their code from the start.

 

[Azayaka]

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Thought it be easier to show a screenshot of GPT-4 explaining the license.

GNU license is very flexible which is why it is the most popular version of licensing.

Ultimately it is the question whether you want this forum to be a respectable forum or if you prefer it to be inundated with 'script kiddies'.

No matter the scenario there will be “script kiddies.” Leaks or no leaks. Everyone thinks they’re able to develop when in reality a lot of people just copy from others.

Respectable? I’d go as far as to say that it’s impossible to leak code that’s under this license. I’d call it sharing and contributing.

Even if Jens had not been the one to share it, eventually it would have been shared. Especially when there people surfing the web with passwords like: carbon12 and musket123

Please sit back and reflect on yourself. You were paid by someone to resolve bugs within an open source code base. I’d call that a win and move on. What’s really disrespectful is thinking you can/should continue to milk fixes that should and will be for the entire emulation community. Not just wowemu.

Imagine if games like warzone2100 had multiple iterations of the same open source code base. The way WoW emulation has evolved is disgusting and disrespectful to everyone who enjoys or has enjoyed this game.

@splicho I’d like to make a request for down votes or dislikes just so I can dislike @quadralx post.

 

[splicho]

@splicho I’d like to make a request for down votes or dislikes just so I can dislike @quadralx post.

Done.

 

[PhenomGW]

Having your work leaked sucks, no matter the license. There's no denying that. But when it comes to the emulation scene, leaks have been a fundamental part of it from the very beginning. The original client leaked back in 2004 or so, and since then, many other expansions have also been leaked.

Running a server, even a non-profit one, is technically wrong from a copyright perspective too. Or atleast from my understanding. However, this doesn't stop us from participating in the emulation scene. Making money from running a server only makes things worse, but I'm not here to pass judgment since I too managed a server back in the day. The reality is that the scene, by its very nature, does not show much regard for the intellectual property of others.

I remember ToxicWoW's website being leaked. This resulted in Axe, the original developer, to continue develop it and make it free for all to use. WebWoW ended up being the most widely used CMS for a while.

I also remember Summit emu, which was developed by Burlex for the then most popular server on the block; WoWscape. IIRC, it had the best anti-cheat detection of all emulators and was supposedly the most stable. Being able to host many more players than other servers. The details are a bit blurry since it's been so long, but didn't chunks of the code get used by either Ascent or projects based on it?

Based on the current poll, it looks like leaks will end up being allowed. The question is, what rules and limitations do we put in place (if any)? I'd like to propose we focus on that. Or will we have another post to discuss the poll's results another time? Let's keep the discussion going and find a way to balance the benefits of leaks with the respect for intellectual property.

edit: 2004, not 2006

 

[RedLine]

All I would like to say is that you can allow a leak if its old or out dated or not active anymore.
Ya all are developers and you know the feeling of seeing your works all over internet.
Protect the active developers and servers. Allow leaks BUT check with the developer if he is fine or he is earning money from it still or its just a old version of his work. Do not Allow Active servers source to be shared here.
Protect active Developers/Servers.